italianchappy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"us" and "them" can be everyone. Tutsi and Hutu (Rwanda), aryan non-aryan, black and white. Every group fighting another group. So we have to be careful when there are ideological diatribes. Harsh ideological criticism is legitimate as well as defense of one's cultural ethnic identity. Instead violence and discrimination are a horse of a different colour. Germans were right to celebrate their culture and gens, they were wrong in their attempt to submit or exterminate others.

zeldaxapostle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

...who's "us"?

italianchappy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Hi zelda.1) Someone is calling me marxist;2) they call me that because Porter, who wrote the anti-nazist poetry in the video, is leftish;3) yes, cats here are a metaphor to indicate people different from us.

zeldaxapostle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

You guys are talking in such circles that I can't follow a word you're saying. Are you saying Nazism is a good or bad thing? And I love cats; they're fuzzy and cute. Are you trying to use a metaphor? ...and why are you calling people Marxists?

zeldaxapostle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

....what ther hell are you guys talking about?88 means Hitler? 18 means Chai.

eligarf (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

why dont you go ahead and give it a shot.vague?you must be looking at the negative side of the coin.created? isnT more like developed?

slavophile1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Too vague. Be more precise.

a2ZeG (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

very powerful ItalianChappy! thank you for the clarifications in the sidebar and comments.peace from japan, eLi G.

a2ZeG (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

people trying to improve upon their life belief systems, exploration, thinking, action.

slavophile1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

What created Western Civilization?