thephattyarbuckle (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

it was months of cocktails of various medications to keep them ASLEEP, watch it again, you got it backwards

raypsi (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Nothing like being a double mole or a mole for both sides generally moles don't know they are moles. Nowaydays it's tough to get a mole not to no they are a mole and get away with it. The hard part is trying to infiltrate both sides. You has to use their own weapons against them.

ruediix (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I can usually go 3 days just fine, but I'm unusually capable of going without sleep, after a week though, I'm on the edge of insanity. I can't imagine going for months on end without sleep. That would be torture.Other methods of "humane" torture come up with by the lovely CIA include loading people's food with hot peppers, or giving them only vitamin supplemented tofu to eat for the opposite end of the spectrum. (Tofu is good when mixed with other foods, but it is horrible plain.)

HaveLucidDreamz (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There is something on the history channel about this very subject, it was talking about star wars and this scientist lady basically said that star wars was influenced by science and scientists were influenced by star wars.Anyways in this bit, its also alot about the relationship between government and science. In alot of ways this is like how nazis used jewish prisoners for experiments. Maybe not as extreme but still... its kind of disturbing imo.

Animalll2003lll (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

haha can'T agree more: it's a give and take relationship. totally. I'm not saying that science is drived ONLY by science fiction, and public interest, but it's stil one of the main 'pressures' or 'constraint' that directs and influences science. But it's totally true that scientists don't always get influenced by sci fi--sometimes it's idea they got by themselves/somewhere else. and it's of course true that science influences scifi :)of course. thanks for your response!!! really interesting!

HaveLucidDreamz (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

True, however I think the "first" scientists were never inspired by sci-fi since the conception wasn't around. Its not like sci-fi totally dominates science or the other ways its a give and take relation sociologically.

Animalll2003lll (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

...sociology of science-- that I knew about cause I read Kuhn's "the structure of scientific revolutions" (book from the 60s), but today I saw a really good ytube video about it too: Lee Smolin: How science is like democracy, on TED talks.Cheers!

Animalll2003lll (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

...so yep, scientist go after sci fi ideas, they work on sci fi ideas, because that's--unconsciously--how they see the world, and perceive what should be done; and itS also with these same lenses that other people will understand and like their project. Therefore scientists will get more interest from the public, and grants if they go for such themes and projects. studying this influence of cultures on science paradigms/projects is a really new field --

Animalll2003lll (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

many projects in science have been influenced by sci fiction. very often, the surrounding culture influences the way we see the world, and therefore the ideas and projects that scientist will have. in this case it'S clearly a sci fi idea. I mean how stupid is it!!? they basically want to turn people into zombie/slaves which is typically a sci fi theme/idea. and it's pretty much impossible to do.

blankknalb12321 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

duhhhhhh dat no true