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JamieJourney (October 6, 2008 at 2:53 pm)
Occam's razor All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the bestWhat is simpler? That complexity is able to overcome incredible odds to somehow evolve from simple building blocks? -or-as Helmholtz and Pasteur have postulated, that complexity, life, laws, have always existed with no beginning, no end, and no need to somehow evolve from anything.What do you "believe" has eternally existed? Conservation of mass/energy - you don't get something from nothing.
JamieJourney (October 6, 2008 at 2:45 pm)
Abiogenesis? unproven theory.Pasteur:I have been looking for spontaneous generation during twenty years without discovering it. (we should) consider that life has existed during eternity and not matter."Helmholtz, "if failure attends all of our efforts to obtain a generation of organisms from lifeless matter, it seems to me a thoroughly correct scientific procedure to inquire whether there has ever been an origination of life, or whether it is not as old as matter..."
xerc1 (October 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm)
You're saying that evolution isn't exsisting, because you don't know where the laws of nature (exterior rules) came from? And an additional conclusion is that therefore there is a god!? Seriously?
JamieJourney (October 3, 2008 at 2:24 pm)
"simple set of exterior rules "Where did the exterior rules come from? If you cannot explain the origin of the rules, you cannot rule out ID. The rules come from a "Programmer"... :)
xerc1 (October 2, 2008 at 9:51 pm)
Evolution is an inherent property of life. Actually, the simulated organisms within this application do themselves qualify for being called alive, eventhough their range of action is limited to a certain program.Complexity is able to evolve from incredibly simple things. If this is incompatible with your belief because a certain scripture has a different explanation and claims to be right it might be time to check if you are following the right belief.
xerc1 (October 2, 2008 at 9:38 pm)
This is not a simulation to create life. All it does is show that evolution works perfectly fine for creating fitter variation, even with a simple set of exterior rules like gravity and friction, interior rules like mutation and replication and natural selection depending on the organisms fitness, measured at certain goals. Just like in nature, but with simplified rules. The origin of life is called Abiogenesis, which is chemical evolution.
82abhilash (September 27, 2008 at 10:04 pm)
It does no such thing. Sure it is one of the conclusions one could come to, but not the one and only conclusion. Take for example, Galileo pushing two objects of different weights from an edge at the same time to study falling objects. Are we to conclude that therefore objects cannot fall unless someone pushes them over an edge? That is only sometimes true, not always true.
JamieJourney (September 27, 2008 at 3:14 pm)
Yes, and what it "teaches" us, is that life cannot be created without a programmer.
82abhilash (September 22, 2008 at 2:54 pm)
This is a simulation the purpose of which is to enhance our understanding about particular aspects of evolution. It is not life, it teaches us about life.
JamieJourney (September 22, 2008 at 1:15 pm)
It is nothing but a program, with an "intelligent" person writing the program. The person made them move - they did NOT do that on their own - it was a random number generator and an "if then" statement. They give it a goal (red dot etc.), have it make some random move, then ask "did the random move get you closer to x? if it does - remember it, if not, don't remember... not independent life - life created by a semi-intelligent computer programmer. No programmer, no life. |
